Mar 03 13:02:02 <SeanS> hmm, i figured there would be more people in here by now

Mar 03 13:10:35 <emilio_lizardo> I'm here. If I'm here and you're here, doesn't that make it *our* time?

Mar 03 13:17:11 <SeanS> yep... guess so

Mar 03 13:17:19 <SeanS> gotta head out for a while tho

Mar 03 13:21:50 <emilio_lizardo> hey SeanS, you missed Anna Nicole Smith's funeral. I though you were going.

Mar 03 13:23:18 <SeanS> uh huh

Mar 03 13:23:48 <emilio_lizardo> heh. i know you like to be kept abreast (get it... huhuhuhuhuh) that you'd like to know

Mar 03 13:24:02 <emilio_lizardo> just providing a selfless public service

Mar 03 13:37:53 <SeanS> thanx

Mar 03 13:38:11 <emilio_lizardo> hey, any time.

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Mar 03 13:51:45 <SeanS> hi Nick

Mar 03 13:52:21 <NickE> Hi Sean, Frank,MArk, Emilio

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Mar 03 13:53:10 <psybud> yo

Mar 03 13:53:13 <SeanS> howdy Willis

Mar 03 13:53:28 <psybud> what's ups

Mar 03 13:53:54 <NickE> Will be in and out today. Got Primeval and a lunar eclipse to watch, son to drop off at his friends, food to get, food to eat etc :-)

Mar 03 13:54:06 <NickE> Hi psybud

Mar 03 13:54:15 <psybud> greetings

Mar 03 13:55:12 <emilio_lizardo> hi guys

Mar 03 13:55:23 <NickE> Hey Mark

Mar 03 13:55:34 <emilio_lizardo> hi nick

Mar 03 13:55:42 <psybud> the sprawling metropolis of Eminence KY

Mar 03 13:55:44 <NickE> Gonna check out teh eclipse (if it isnt raining)?

Mar 03 13:55:53 <SeanS> cloudy and snowing a bit here... no eclipse

Mar 03 13:55:59 <NickE> shame

Mar 03 13:56:02 <emilio_lizardo> what time is the ecipse?

Mar 03 13:56:08 <psybud> yeah

Mar 03 13:56:21 <NickE> I think totality is around 10-11pm

Mar 03 13:56:26 <NickE> GNT

Mar 03 13:56:31 <NickE> GMT even

Mar 03 13:56:40 <psybud> lol

Mar 03 13:56:55 <NickE> starts fairly shortly

Mar 03 13:57:03 <psybud> cool

Mar 03 13:57:39 <psybud> i'm chatin

Mar 03 13:57:40 <NickE> Moon biga nd bright here, clear skies for a change. Actually very warm today

Mar 03 13:58:01 <psybud> what does that mean?

Mar 03 13:58:07 <SeanS> well, gotta rolll into town for a while

Mar 03 13:58:33 <psybud> cool

Mar 03 13:58:51 <psybud> got to run

Mar 03 13:59:22 <NickE> er 14+ degrees C

Mar 03 13:59:46 <NickE> Catch you later on

Mar 03 13:59:51 <emilio_lizardo> cool. i'll have to go outside and see if it is clear. it was cloudy earlier..

Mar 03 14:00:17 <NickE> Been clear here all day.

Mar 03 14:00:26 <psybud> i'm back

Mar 03 14:00:35 <emilio_lizardo> I live in the grim north

Mar 03 14:00:36 <NickE> That was quick :-)

Mar 03 14:00:46 <psybud> oh yeah

Mar 03 14:01:00 <psybud> i had to make my bed

Mar 03 14:01:00 <NickE> Aye, OOP north

Mar 03 14:02:09 <NickE> Anyone listen to The Signal podcast?

Mar 03 14:04:29 <NickE> Ever?

Mar 03 14:05:44 <NickE> At all?

Mar 03 14:08:31 <NickE> <tumbleweed>

Mar 03 14:12:41 <psybud> i'm back (again)

Mar 03 14:13:48 <psybud> i was watching tv

Mar 03 14:14:28 <NickE> typical. Got to drop off for a while, sorry. Be back in a while (may be up to an hour and a half)

Mar 03 14:14:43 <psybud> ok

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Mar 03 14:23:22 <Dan> Sheesh! My newest copy of mIRC didn't want to run.

Mar 03 14:24:39 * Received a CTCP PING 1172949853 from Dan

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Mar 03 14:28:03 <Dan> Hello, wierdling.

Mar 03 14:28:13 <wierdling> howdy all.

Mar 03 14:29:58 <Dan> Seems like it doesn't pay to get here too early. LOL!

Mar 03 14:30:21 <Dan> Everyone seems to be away from their keyboards at the moment.

Mar 03 14:30:26 <wierdling> it does appear a bit quiet right now. which is cool. I am still trying wo wake up.

Mar 03 14:30:56 <Dan> I have to leave for work in a few hours, so I thought I'd pop in a bit early.

Mar 03 14:32:05 <Dan> I'm having to use an old copy of mIRC. The one I usually use won't start up. It won't even pop up on my monitor, for some reason.

Mar 03 14:32:38 <wierdling> I am using the javaapplet.

Mar 03 14:33:36 <Dan> I... dislike, to put it mildly, Java applets for chat.

Mar 03 14:33:57 <wierdling> I don't often say this, but I wish I lived on the east coast for tonight

Mar 03 14:34:05 <Dan> Oh? Why?

Mar 03 14:35:34 <wierdling> the lunar eclipse

Mar 03 14:35:42 <wierdling> not going to get much of it on the west coast.

Mar 03 14:36:18 <Dan> Oh! I'll miss that entirely. And I *do* live on the east coast. I'll be indoors at work all night.

Mar 03 14:37:17 <wierdling> that sucks :( you don't get any breaks around twilight?

Mar 03 14:37:59 <Dan> Twilight? No, I'll be working from 7 PM until 7 AM. My first break won't be until 9 PM.

Mar 03 14:39:24 <wierdling> rough shift :) what do you do for your daily bread?

Mar 03 14:40:23 <Dan> Manufacture fiberglass insulation. I run a machine that squashes the insulation down and packs it into plastic bags.

Mar 03 14:41:01 <wierdling> I saw the process on "How They Do That" it was pretty cool looking. reminds me of cotton candy for some reason.

Mar 03 14:41:45 <Dan> It is like cotton candy, in a way. It's glass, spun into fine threads.

Mar 03 14:44:17 <Dan> I don't work in the part of the factory that does the spinning, but I've been in that section to see it done.

Mar 03 14:45:01 <wierdling> I love watching shows that show how things are made. it is always interesting.

Mar 03 14:45:07 <Dan> Indeed!

Mar 03 14:47:24 <Dan> There was supposed to be an episode of "Modern Marvels" filmed in the factory where I work, but someone in management killed the project because they thought we'd be giving away company secrets in how our process differs from other fiberglass companies. So the TV show producers went o our competition to do their filming.

Mar 03 14:49:02 <wierdling> just like managment *l* it seems to me that they could have them skip over any sensitive stuff.

Mar 03 14:50:30 <Dan> Overly-paranoid. All the secrets we have are in the mix of sand, rocks, and such, and the chemicals that the fibers get treated with. Everything else is exactly the same as out competition.

Mar 03 15:02:00 <wierdling> O.K. it is noon, where is everyone? haha

Mar 03 15:04:40 <SeanS> well, its official start time

Mar 03 15:04:49 <Dan> Yeah!

Mar 03 15:05:45 <Dan> I'm trying to get those CDs burned for Frank. Having a rough time with my CD burner. Now trying to make a music CD with the DVD burner.

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Mar 03 15:13:16 <SeanS> gotta restart x... brb

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Mar 03 15:16:50 <Dan> WB

Mar 03 15:17:32 <Dan> OK, the DVD burner made the CD with no problems at all. Must be something wrong with the CD burner. Maybe there's dust on the laser head.

Mar 03 15:18:44 <SeanS> could be

Mar 03 15:19:39 <Dan> Well, at least I have those two music CDs for Frank done now.

Mar 03 15:20:08 <SeanS> where is he anyway?

Mar 03 15:20:24 <Dan> Dunno.

Mar 03 15:22:12 <Dan> Wierdlind and I were the only ones talking until you spoke up.

Mar 03 15:22:35 <Dan> weirdling, rather.

Mar 03 15:23:13 <SeanS> well, i will probably be in and out at least once more... about to get the tv working for video in suse

Mar 03 15:23:43 <Dan> I've been beating my head against a wall trying to figure out why the CD burner worked fine on one CD but wouldn't burn a second disc

Mar 03 15:24:42 <Dan> And why my newest copy of mIRC wouldn't run.

Mar 03 15:29:48 <SeanS> rebootig

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Mar 03 15:32:46 <Dan> WB, again.

Mar 03 15:33:45 <SeanS> success

Mar 03 15:34:17 <Dan> Good!

Mar 03 15:34:17 <SeanS> can now watch downloaded video on the tv from the suse box

Mar 03 15:34:34 <SeanS> astronaut farmer playing now ;)

Mar 03 15:34:40 <Dan> LOL!

Mar 03 15:34:59 <SeanS> one of my major reasons for keeping windows on this box is gone

Mar 03 15:35:33 <Dan> Linux only for you from now on?

Mar 03 15:35:53 <SeanS> could be

Mar 03 15:36:32 <SeanS> have to get a linux par2 tool to work

Mar 03 15:37:24 <psybud> het there sully

Mar 03 15:37:27 <psybud> hey

Mar 03 15:37:35 <SeanS> yo, willy boy

Mar 03 15:37:53 <psybud> The snow has ceased yet again here

Mar 03 15:38:09 <SeanS> it has quit here as well

Mar 03 15:38:48 <Dan> I'm glad to say that the tornados passed us by, here.

Mar 03 15:39:06 <SeanS> glad to hear it... was wondering, dan

Mar 03 15:39:24 <Dan> All the bad stuff happened far to the south of me.

Mar 03 15:39:35 <psybud> Enterprise Miss. got hammered

Mar 03 15:39:45 <Dan> All we got was torrential rain and some blustery winds.

Mar 03 15:40:48 <Dan> I'm not going to have to worry about my well running dry this year, if this keeps up.

Mar 03 15:41:06 <SeanS> hehe

Mar 03 15:41:33 <SeanS> gotta go get julie before too much longer... she is playing bingo

Mar 03 15:41:51 <SeanS> hopefully winning me lots of money

Mar 03 15:43:31 <psybud> Good luck with that...

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Mar 03 15:44:12 <SeanS> yeah

Mar 03 15:44:16 <psybud> I'm brewing a fresh pot of coffee, still trying to wake up

Mar 03 15:44:17 <SeanS> Hi Fred!

Mar 03 15:44:24 <Fred> Greets!

Mar 03 15:44:28 <Dan> Hiya, Fred.

Mar 03 15:44:49 <Dan> I'm making a pot of coffee too. Great minds think alike!

Mar 03 15:44:58 <psybud> good call...

Mar 03 15:45:01 <Fred> and so do ours

Mar 03 15:46:11 <psybud> Sully, did you grab that radio equipment?

Mar 03 15:46:21 <SeanS> no

Mar 03 15:46:25 <Dan> Well, I have to work overtime tonight and the next three nights, then 4 nights of my regular shift. If I'm very lucky, I'll get OT on my first day off after those, as well.

Mar 03 15:46:30 <SeanS> talked to dad for half aan hour and totally forgot

Mar 03 15:46:57 <psybud> If the wind subsides I am gonna hook up the linear...

Mar 03 15:47:43 <SeanS> doesnt look like the wind is going to lay down

Mar 03 15:48:19 <psybud> Too cold to fool with it outside right now.

Mar 03 15:49:18 <Fred> where are you?

Mar 03 15:49:22 <Dan> I've already worked the last 4 days, this OT and my next regular week will give me 12 in a row. If I get that 13th day/night as OT, then I'll have a 72 hour check and an 84 hour check back-to-back.

Mar 03 15:49:43 <psybud> Dan, ou'll be rollin in the dough!

Mar 03 15:50:05 <psybud> Fred, I'm in the Commonwealth of KY USA

Mar 03 15:50:17 <Fred> ah

Mar 03 15:50:19 <Dan> It'll all go to catch up on what I got behind with the 4 day layoff a week ago.

Mar 03 15:50:31 <Fred> it's somewhat more temperate here in Arizona :)

Mar 03 15:50:53 <SeanS> going to 23 degrees here tonight, Fred

Mar 03 15:51:03 <psybud> Dan, what do you do to earn your keep?

Mar 03 15:51:30 <Dan> Still haven't gotten my piddly unemployment check for that layoff week. *That* ought to almost equal 2 days pay.

Mar 03 15:51:52 <Dan> I work in a factory that makes fiberglass insulation for people's homes.

Mar 03 15:52:51 <psybud> I hear ya, I'm a factory worker myself

Mar 03 15:54:17 <Dan> I run a packaging machne that compresses a whole wall's worth of insulation down into a 48"x16"(or 24")x12" bag that gets shipped out to contractors & installers.

Mar 03 15:55:16 <psybud> Wow, keep your hands out of that thing!

Mar 03 15:55:46 <Dan> I do!

Mar 03 15:55:53 <Fred> it's like the fuel conveyor belt in Battlestar Galactica

Mar 03 15:56:23 <SeanS> i quit on battlestar

Mar 03 15:56:38 <Fred> you can never turn it off or the plant explodes, so somebody has to stick a hand in there once in a while as a sacrifice

Mar 03 15:56:47 <Dan> LOL!

Mar 03 15:57:09 <psybud> Excellent! The druids would be proud...

Mar 03 15:57:20 <Dan> No me! I keep my hands out of the machinery unless I have all the power sources turned off and locked out.

Mar 03 15:57:22 <Fred> hee hee

Mar 03 15:58:07 <psybud> Don't cross the streams...

Mar 03 15:58:12 <Dan> Right!

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Mar 03 15:58:20 <emilio_lizardo> I don't. i used to work on montiors. Got thrown over a desk.

Mar 03 15:58:25 <Dan> Hiya, Nick.

Mar 03 15:58:29 <emilio_lizardo> hey dan

Mar 03 15:58:29 <NickE> back

Mar 03 15:58:33 <SeanS> wb, nick

Mar 03 15:58:35 <NickE> Ho Dan!

Mar 03 15:58:42 <Dan> Hiya Emilio.

Mar 03 15:58:47 <emilio_lizardo> just trying to put the 1 gig processor I found in this free box

Mar 03 15:58:51 <Fred> hey nick

Mar 03 15:58:56 <psybud> hello

Mar 03 15:58:57 <emilio_lizardo> Fred!

Mar 03 15:58:59 <NickE> Hi Fred

Mar 03 15:59:43 <NickE> Well, I can't see the eclipse starting just yet. Still clear though

Mar 03 15:59:56 <emilio_lizardo> it's gone clearer here, for the moment

Mar 03 15:59:58 <Dan> Still broad daylight here.

Mar 03 16:00:04 <emilio_lizardo> the UK sucks for astronomy.

Mar 03 16:00:04 <NickE> :-)

Mar 03 16:00:20 <NickE> A lot of the time true

Mar 03 16:00:38 <psybud> Does anyone know where we are in the 11 year sunspot cycle?

Mar 03 16:00:39 <Dan> If the moon has risen, I can't see it for the cloud cover.

Mar 03 16:00:53 <NickE> Not offhand

Mar 03 16:01:37 <SeanS> off to get julie... bbiab

Mar 03 16:01:48 <Dan> Be careful, Sean!

Mar 03 16:02:03 <psybud> be careful packin' all that cash!

Mar 03 16:02:08 <NickE> ?

Mar 03 16:02:20 <Dan> Julie is off playing BINGO.

Mar 03 16:02:24 <psybud> BINGO

Mar 03 16:02:27 <NickE> Ah :-)

Mar 03 16:02:34 <wierdling> we are in the low part of the cycle.

Mar 03 16:02:46 <NickE> OK

Mar 03 16:02:48 <psybud> AKA Gambling Catholic style

Mar 03 16:03:17 <Fred> I thought that was the rythm method

Mar 03 16:03:18 <psybud> gotcha

Mar 03 16:03:24 <NickE> :-)

Mar 03 16:03:33 <psybud> HEHE

Mar 03 16:03:42 <Fred> :)

Mar 03 16:03:43 <Dan> One of my buddies from work was trying to talk me into playing the lotto last night. Over $286 million, but I hate to waste a dollar. LOL!

Mar 03 16:04:09 <psybud> Which Lotto is that?

Mar 03 16:04:26 <Dan> Either Lotto South or Mega-Millions.

Mar 03 16:04:59 <Fred> one of the first ads I ever did was for the Arizona Lottery. I came *this* close to blowing my whole check on lottery tickets

Mar 03 16:05:02 <NickE> Puts the UK one in the shade (Sat pot typically 5-8 mill)

Mar 03 16:05:06 <NickE> UKP

Mar 03 16:05:10 <psybud> We have Powerball here and I hate to admit I do play occasionally

Mar 03 16:05:29 <Dan> I probably haven't spent $20 on the lottery in the last 5 years - or however long Georgia has had the lottery.

Mar 03 16:06:08 <NickE> I think we have a monthly ticket every now and then. Tend only to give it a try on rollovers

Mar 03 16:06:31 <psybud> Better chance of being struck by lightning while being attacked by a shark during a gang related shooting

Mar 03 16:06:44 <Dan> Exactly.

Mar 03 16:06:46 <NickE> Think I'd prefer the lotto though

Mar 03 16:06:52 <Dan> LOL!

Mar 03 16:07:11 <Fred> at some point we'll be able to buy tickets on the net and then we'll be in trouble

Mar 03 16:07:23 <psybud> There are definitely worse habits to have

Mar 03 16:07:52 <Dan> Nah. It's easier to just buy a ticket when I buy beer. Frankly, I always get more out of the beer.

Mar 03 16:07:58 <NickE> Hey Dan, didn't say congrats on 10 years of Apehelion. Congrats :-)

Mar 03 16:08:07 <Dan> Thanks, Nick!

Mar 03 16:08:49 <Fred> I never go to convenience markets any more. It's too much trouble to buy tickets in the grocery store

Mar 03 16:08:54 <NickE> Nice to see fannish things lasting

Mar 03 16:08:55 <Dan> Some of the readers are agitating for us to go Pro. But they don't know that that'd be the kiss of death.

Mar 03 16:09:03 <Fred> have to make a special stop

Mar 03 16:09:44 <psybud> I had to look that one up...

Mar 03 16:11:57 <psybud> So hey guys I'm new to this chat thing, Let me know where everyone resides...

Mar 03 16:12:12 <Fred> you first!

Mar 03 16:12:27 <psybud> Eminence Kentucky USA....

Mar 03 16:12:30 <Dan> I'm in Athens, georgia. About 90 miles northeast of Atlanta.

Mar 03 16:12:37 <Fred> lol, I knew that didn't I

Mar 03 16:12:42 <wierdling> Seattle, WA area.

Mar 03 16:12:48 <Fred> Phoenix Arizona

Mar 03 16:14:09 <psybud> Eminence is about 45 miles Northeast of Louisville KY

Mar 03 16:14:15 <Dan> You're near Frank, aren't you Fred?

Mar 03 16:15:09 <Fred> yeah, a few miles East of him

Mar 03 16:15:30 <Dan> My wife used to live in Soccoro, New Mexico. She used to go sunbathing inside one of the dishes at the VLA. LOL!

Mar 03 16:15:44 <NickE> Near Banbury (the one in the nursery rhyme) UK. 'Bout 25 miles north of Oxford

Mar 03 16:15:57 <NickE> Cool

Mar 03 16:15:59 <psybud> Bloody hell..

Mar 03 16:16:02 <NickE> Well, hot

Mar 03 16:16:17 <Dan> But her family is from Pritsmouth, England.

Mar 03 16:16:29 <Dan> Portsmouth, rather.

Mar 03 16:16:33 <NickE> Portsmouth?

Mar 03 16:16:43 <NickE> Ah a Pompey lass

Mar 03 16:16:49 <Dan> Yeah!

Mar 03 16:17:00 <NickE> Went to college there and lived on for a few years

Mar 03 16:17:03 <Dan> You ought to hear her during the World Cup.

Mar 03 16:17:07 <NickE> :-)

Mar 03 16:17:22 <psybud> I'm a closet Monty Python fan...

Mar 03 16:17:29 <Dan> Aren't we all?

Mar 03 16:17:39 <NickE> So's everyone else. Dont get us started FFS!

Mar 03 16:18:09 <psybud> Wink Wink Nod Nod.... Say no MORE!

Mar 03 16:18:36 <NickE> Too late!

Mar 03 16:18:42 <Dan> Although I tried to watch "Hyperdrive" last night on BBC America, but they ran some Eddie Izzard specials instead. That was fun!

Mar 03 16:18:53 <NickE> Eddie is fun

Mar 03 16:19:24 <NickE> Hyperdrive was OK ,but suffered a bit from trying to play the "naff Brit" angle too hard

Mar 03 16:19:31 <Dan> He seems to aim for an intelligent audience.

Mar 03 16:19:57 <NickE> He does a killer set in school level French

Mar 03 16:20:07 <NickE> (or has done)

Mar 03 16:20:10 <Dan> Yeah, it wasn't as full-tilt funny as Red Dwarf, but it is watchable.

Mar 03 16:20:21 <NickE> Agreed

Mar 03 16:20:36 <Dan> Yeah, I saw that one. I almost understood it. And I don't speak any french.

Mar 03 16:20:44 <psybud> OK what kind of connections do we have out there?

Mar 03 16:20:47 <NickE> Exactly

Mar 03 16:21:00 <Dan> Connections?

Mar 03 16:21:06 <psybud> WWW

Mar 03 16:21:14 <Dan> DSL, here.

Mar 03 16:21:39 <psybud> I have to bounce off a satellite

Mar 03 16:21:47 <psybud> RURAL AREA

Mar 03 16:21:51 <Fred> I watched one Hyperdrive

Mar 03 16:22:00 <NickE> Still on dialup(but changing soon! I saw my last phone bill YIKE!)

Mar 03 16:22:06 <Fred> there was a solo woman pilot who'd gone crazy

Mar 03 16:22:20 <Fred> and danish drug smugglers

Mar 03 16:22:23 <NickE> Oh that one wasnt so good

Mar 03 16:22:25 <Dan> I think that a carrier pigeon would have been faster than my dial-up was.

Mar 03 16:22:33 <Fred> lol, yeah, I was underwhelmed

Mar 03 16:22:40 <psybud> I had no choice here in the sticks so I got Wildblue

Mar 03 16:22:49 <NickE> It was beetr that Torchwood anyway

Mar 03 16:22:55 <NickE> not difficult

Mar 03 16:23:21 <Dan> When does the new season of Dr. Who start?

Mar 03 16:23:50 <NickE> Soon I think. Spring anyway

Mar 03 16:24:05 <NickE> Should be good

Mar 03 16:24:15 <psybud> Don't know. I havent watched TV in 11 years

Mar 03 16:24:26 <Fred> only 2 stargates left for those of us torrenting the british feed

Mar 03 16:25:08 <Dan> Good. Maybe I'll have all the episodes of the first three Doctors by then. Still have to work on getting all the Tom Baker, Peter Davison, and some Sylvester McCoy episodes.

Mar 03 16:25:39 <NickE> On the whole, not missed much. But Firefly and the new BSG and Heroes are worth a look

Mar 03 16:26:05 <Fred> watching firefly again in HiDef

Mar 03 16:26:19 <psybud> I am attempting to work myself to death these days

Mar 03 16:26:22 <NickE> Oooh shiny

Mar 03 16:26:30 <Fred> very

Mar 03 16:26:31 <NickE> Never a good thing

Mar 03 16:26:45 <Dan> I have all the eps of Firefly, and the movie, but I *still* haven't watched them. Got to manage my time better! LOL!

Mar 03 16:26:48 <Fred> on the other hand Atlantis looks pretty bad in HD

Mar 03 16:27:54 <NickE> BTW, mentioned it earlier but everyone was assleep :-) The Signal is worth listening too. And not just 'cos I'm in it from Season 3 Ep4 (This weeks) He He!

Mar 03 16:27:55 <psybud> I'm off to a pretty good start

Mar 03 16:28:30 <NickE> DAN! Sit down and do it dude. You're a prime Browncoat candidate

Mar 03 16:29:03 <NickE> It also the best thing since B5

Mar 03 16:29:26 <Dan> LOL! I have to work 48 hours a week, plus all the overtime I can get, just to keep the creditors away from the door.

Mar 03 16:29:46 <Fred> hey! What about ENTERPRISE???

Mar 03 16:29:47 <NickE> sleep is for wimps :-)

Mar 03 16:29:54 <Dan> Another 6 years and the house will be paid off, though.

Mar 03 16:29:57 <NickE> Jest surely

Mar 03 16:30:06 <NickE> Pretty goo d going

Mar 03 16:30:08 <psybud> Go for it Dan!

Mar 03 16:30:18 <Fred> oh, wait. that sucked. I forgot. :)

Mar 03 16:30:23 <Dan> LOL!

Mar 03 16:30:25 <NickE> knew it!! :-)

Mar 03 16:32:28 * Flying_away is now known as Flying

Mar 03 16:32:35 <Dan> Hiya, Carol!

Mar 03 16:32:38 <Flying> Grrr. Messed up my nick

Mar 03 16:32:46 <Flying> Hello all! Nice busy room!

Mar 03 16:32:54 <NickE> Hi Carol

Mar 03 16:33:01 <Flying> Too bad we are all inside on such a PERFECT DAY!!

Mar 03 16:33:01 <psybud> hello

Mar 03 16:33:17 <psybud> Define Perfect

Mar 03 16:33:19 <Flying> Hello all!!!

Mar 03 16:33:42 <Flying> The sun is shining, it is warm with a slight cool breeze.

Mar 03 16:33:51 <Dan> Perfect? with the windchill it feels like 0degrees outside!

Mar 03 16:33:59 <Flying> 0 degrees?

Mar 03 16:34:03 <Flying> Not here!

Mar 03 16:34:09 <psybud> Kelvin

Mar 03 16:34:29 <Dan> We're importing some Canadian winds today.

Mar 03 16:34:37 <Flying> Hmm. What is 0 degrees Kelvin in ferenheit?

Mar 03 16:34:37 * Dan grins.

Mar 03 16:34:48 <psybud> Friggin cold

Mar 03 16:34:57 <Flying> :-)

Mar 03 16:35:16 <psybud> Where are you, Flying?

Mar 03 16:35:22 <NickE> BRB

Mar 03 16:35:26 <Flying> Weather site says 66 degrees partly sunny.

Mar 03 16:35:34 * Flying is now known as FlyingDragon

Mar 03 16:35:47 * FlyingDragon is in Houston, south, Clear LAke, near JSC.

Mar 03 16:36:11 * FlyingDragon heard sonic boons a couple weeks ago, that was the shuttle flying overhead.

Mar 03 16:36:27 <FlyingDragon> psybud, where are you?

Mar 03 16:36:53 <psybud> The sprawling metropolis of Eminence Kentucky USA

Mar 03 16:37:20 <FlyingDragon> Is Eminence a town?

Mar 03 16:37:45 <psybud> Yes... Small and rowdy.... 2 bars for every church.

Mar 03 16:38:09 <FlyingDragon> Talking about weather, I've really been enjoying looking at the pictures on this site: learning LOTS about weather in the process.

Mar 03 16:38:21 <psybud> I've got family in San Antonio...

Mar 03 16:38:28 <FlyingDragon> People like to carouse more than they like to worship? Hmm.

Mar 03 16:39:00 <psybud> Was hatched at Fort Sam Houston...

Mar 03 16:39:03 <FlyingDragon> I know people who WANT to go to church, who complain about having to get up at 11 AM on Sunday to get there in time. Must stay up till dawn Saturday night.

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Mar 03 16:39:16 <FlyingDragon> ah. A native TEXAN!

Mar 03 16:39:20 <Dan> Hello, EML.

Mar 03 16:39:20 <EML> Hi, all

Mar 03 16:39:25 <FlyingDragon> Hello, EML

Mar 03 16:39:25 <psybud> YESSS

Mar 03 16:39:39 <psybud> 1967

Mar 03 16:39:44 <FlyingDragon> Yur kind a rare breed, yet you LEFT!!!

Mar 03 16:40:04 <FlyingDragon> 40 this year. welcome to the 5th decade.

Mar 03 16:40:12 <psybud> born in 67 moved out in 69

Mar 03 16:40:16 <EML> so what are we talking about today?

Mar 03 16:40:29 <FlyingDragon> how perfect teh weather is in Houston.

Mar 03 16:40:31 <Dan> Just talking, so far.

Mar 03 16:40:36 <NickE> eclipse has started BTW

Mar 03 16:40:42 <NickE> Lunar

Mar 03 16:40:56 <Dan> Still too cloudy to see the moon, here.

Mar 03 16:41:05 <FlyingDragon> I really enjoyed the site someone posted about what % of all people are alive today.

Mar 03 16:41:15 <EML> umm, Houston has three seasons: melt, December, and January.

Mar 03 16:41:25 <FlyingDragon> Ah. If visable in Houston, it should be easy to see.

Mar 03 16:41:29 <psybud> Flying, have you ever eaten at the Salt Lick outside Austin?

Mar 03 16:41:29 <FlyingDragon> Bright sun.

Mar 03 16:41:44 <FlyingDragon> no. BBQ steak place?

Mar 03 16:41:50 <NickE> Oh Hi Ed. Good to see you again

Mar 03 16:42:06 <psybud> Best BBQ I have ever had, and I have had a lot

Mar 03 16:42:25 <psybud> It is actually in Driftwood TX

Mar 03 16:42:29 <EML> back atya, Nick

Mar 03 16:43:01 <psybud> So good you'll smack yer Mama!

Mar 03 16:43:16 <EML> I have a Known Space question, if it's not too early for that.

Mar 03 16:43:23 <Dan> Go for it.

Mar 03 16:43:25 <NickE> Anyone else seeing the moon right now. Full eclipse in early stages. Looks good from the UK

Mar 03 16:43:36 <NickE> Always open to those

Mar 03 16:44:22 <FlyingDragon> I'll remember that. I've heard of the salt lick.

Mar 03 16:45:09 <FlyingDragon> Peter, my resident ROcket scientist says that it is a solar eclipse when the moon goes over the sun. It is a lunar eclipse when the shadow of the earth goes over the moon.

Mar 03 16:45:23 <NickE> yup

Mar 03 16:45:39 <NickE> It'll go deep red later on

Mar 03 16:45:44 <FlyingDragon> I'll go outside and look in a while, when it is further along.

Mar 03 16:45:54 <FlyingDragon> Where it it deepest?

Mar 03 16:46:01 <EML> okay, the start of the question(s) -- which MKZ stories (if any) touch upon protectors?

Mar 03 16:46:10 <NickE> I'll keep you posted as I and the kids will be popping out periodically

Mar 03 16:46:28 <psybud> Still cloudy in KY

Mar 03 16:46:34 <NickE> Oh a toughie

Mar 03 16:46:36 <FlyingDragon> People "smack yer Mama!" when food is good? Not sure I wantt o go with my kids. THey are trained martial artists, and I might have to hurt them defending myself.

Mar 03 16:47:06 <FlyingDragon> EML: You ask hard questions. Is this research for a book?

Mar 03 16:47:07 <psybud> You got it...

Mar 03 16:47:25 <NickE> Have to think a bit, been a while since I read some of them and I'm still missing #4 and Destiny's Forge

Mar 03 16:47:52 <NickE> I'm sure Prject Cherubim is mentioned somewhere

Mar 03 16:47:59 <FlyingDragon> I'm sorry I can't help you.

Mar 03 16:48:08 <FlyingDragon> My memory isn't that good.

Mar 03 16:48:29 <psybud> Be back in a bit, headed out to hook up some illegal transmitting equipment....

Mar 03 16:48:32 <EML> It's too soon to be research for a book -- more to decide whether a very vague concept is doable (and/or constrained by past works)

Mar 03 16:48:54 <NickE> I'm suer there must be a mention of Protectors if not a plot point/story

Mar 03 16:49:06 <NickE> Oooh interesting

Mar 03 16:49:17 <FlyingDragon> Care to discuss the issue?

Mar 03 16:49:38 <NickE> Or too spoilery (we can take it!)

Mar 03 16:49:46 <FlyingDragon> You know, Larry got inspiration for RWC from speculation on the first letter from the list he ever read!

Mar 03 16:49:47 <EML> NickE: say more about Project Cherubim. Is that in one of the MKW volumes?

Mar 03 16:50:04 <NickE> Oh crap. on the spot now

Mar 03 16:50:37 <NickE> I'm not sure TBH. But it has come up on list discussions before

Mar 03 16:51:01 <EML> Too soon to spoil anything ... I'm just trying to understand whether protectors get mentioned between Protector and Ringworld Engineers.

Mar 03 16:51:15 <NickE> I do seem to recall something about it ina MKW story, but couldnt for the life of me tell you whih one or which vol

Mar 03 16:51:37 <NickE> It terms of timeline you mean

Mar 03 16:51:51 <NickE> ?

Mar 03 16:51:56 <EML> when I asked Larry, he had a similar very general feeling.

Mar 03 16:52:09 <NickE> Oh thats helpful ;-)

Mar 03 16:52:18 <EML> yup, timeline would matter.

Mar 03 16:52:20 <NickE> We need a resident MKW expert

Mar 03 16:52:23 <Harry_Redd> Hi All.

Mar 03 16:52:30 <Dan> Hiya Frank!

Mar 03 16:52:35 <EML> Hi Frank!

Mar 03 16:52:38 <NickE> Hang on, there is a site for the MKW stuff

Mar 03 16:52:40 <wierdling> howdy frank :)

Mar 03 16:52:43 <Dan> Got those two CDs burned for you today.

Mar 03 16:52:44 <NickE> Hey Frank

Mar 03 16:53:11 <NickE> Think it is linked to from the KS site somewhere

Mar 03 16:53:16 <FlyingDragon> Isn't there a time line on Knownspace?

Mar 03 16:53:20 <NickE> Yes

Mar 03 16:53:39 <Dan> Need your address to send them to you. You can e-mail it to if you'd like.

Mar 03 16:53:43 <FlyingDragon> Mark has been reorganizing the Kzin site. Hope it is all up.

Mar 03 16:53:54 <NickE> Lensman did a fairly comprehensive one (he's been quiet lately)

Mar 03 16:54:53 <NickE> just going to check the moon again

Mar 03 16:55:14 <FlyingDragon> let us know

Mar 03 16:55:45 <EML> just checked the timeline site -- it mentions a protector reference in Darker Geometry (which is non-canonical)

Mar 03 16:56:29 <FlyingDragon> Did LARRY say that ADG is non-canonical?

Mar 03 16:57:35 <EML> yes, Larry did. In Juggler fo Worlds, you'll get the new-and-official scoop about the Outsiders.

Mar 03 16:57:55 <NickE> Great. It's about 1/3 covered and you can see the curve of our planet's shadow clearly, getting on for half covered now

Mar 03 16:58:16 <FlyingDragon> ah. Juggler of worlds..... is that out?

Mar 03 16:58:39 <NickE> Oh THAT is cool indeed. Liked the story, but never considered it in cannon .Too way out

Mar 03 16:59:45 <FlyingDragon> Juggler of WRolds... sequal to Fleet of Worlds? When is THAT actually due out???

Mar 03 16:59:58 <EML> Actually, Juggler is a ways from out. Larry and I are now reviewing the first full draft.

Mar 03 17:00:55 <FlyingDragon> I couldn't actually get all the way through ADG. Too unlike Larry's writing for my to suspend my disbeleive that Larry wrote it. Or something like that. TOo many negatives.

Mar 03 17:00:57 <EML> Juggler of Worlds will probably be out in 2008. I'd guess 3Q08 or 4Q08 (in hardback) -- but publishers control the timetable.

Mar 03 17:01:07 <FlyingDragon> Way cool. I thought you were Ed!

Mar 03 17:01:40 <FlyingDragon> When is Fleet of Worlds out?

Mar 03 17:02:11 <EML> Fleet of World HB release is September. Amazon is already taking orders.

Mar 03 17:02:12 <Harry_Redd> Ed, That's just marvelous news. :-)

Mar 03 17:02:29 <FlyingDragon> Way cool! HB, right?

Mar 03 17:03:15 <EML> Harry: Which part is marvelous news? That more will be revealed about the Outsiders?

Mar 03 17:03:29 <EML> HB, right.

Mar 03 17:04:15 <FlyingDragon> The Outsiders are very mysterious, but I suspect that the main joy is new KS stories!

Mar 03 17:05:52 <Fred> Fleet of Worlds, Hardcover, just pre ordered from Amazon

Mar 03 17:05:58 <EML> Yup, KS is fun.

Mar 03 17:06:16 <FlyingDragon> You go Fred. I liket o pick them up at B&N.

Mar 03 17:06:26 <Fred> 320 pages

Mar 03 17:06:37 <FlyingDragon> Anyone here play World of WarCraft???

Mar 03 17:06:49 <Fred> September 18th

Mar 03 17:07:12 <FlyingDragon> 6 more months!! Seen cover art yet??

Mar 03 17:07:24 <Fred> Carol, I don't, but I know lots that do. Frends of mine work at Buzzard

Mar 03 17:07:34 <Fred> re: WoW

Mar 03 17:07:38 <EML> Fred, I honestly don't know about the page count. I haven't seen the page galleys yet. The early page counts are often a bit off.

Mar 03 17:07:53 <Fred> hey, I demand 320 pages!

Mar 03 17:08:04 <Fred> well, I'll take MORE

Mar 03 17:08:13 <FlyingDragon> Fred: Buzzard: They creat WoW?

Mar 03 17:08:15 <Fred> but no fewer! :)

Mar 03 17:08:23 <Fred> yes carol

Mar 03 17:08:31 <Dan> I'll have to wait for the paperback. Phooey! My budget is just too slim for hard backs.

Mar 03 17:08:36 <FlyingDragon> Hey, give him a break! At least he is working on a sequal!!!!

Mar 03 17:08:41 <Fred> it's actually BLIZZARD but they call them BUZZARD on South Park

Mar 03 17:08:57 <EML> 320 pages for Fleet will be in the ballpark. Juggler looks to be longer.

Mar 03 17:08:58 <FlyingDragon> Ah, if they have been referanced on SOuth Park, they are BIG!!!!

Mar 03 17:09:06 <FlyingDragon> Cool, EML

Mar 03 17:09:10 <Fred> oh yes :)

Mar 03 17:09:57 <Fred> Amazon is now showi me other books by Edward M. Lerner

Mar 03 17:10:08 <FlyingDragon> EML, You write first draft, Larry edits?

Mar 03 17:10:22 <EML> Fred, I have three books to my name at this point (one OOP).

Mar 03 17:10:39 <Fred> PROBE is also 320 pages

Mar 03 17:10:45 <Fred> I sense a theme

Mar 03 17:10:53 <EML> FlyingDragon -- it's a bit more complicated than that

Mar 03 17:10:56 <NickE> Moons about half gone,very cool

Mar 03 17:11:03 <Fred> "If you liked Crichtons SPHERE you will LOVE probe!"

Mar 03 17:11:09 <NickE> Not as cool as ne KS stuff but hey

Mar 03 17:11:30 <FlyingDragon> Yes, New KS stuff is high on the list.

Mar 03 17:11:49 <NickE> Oh yes

Mar 03 17:11:59 <EML> My publisher wanted to do the Crichton comparison ... I wouldn't have gone there. AFAIK, Crichton hates science.

Mar 03 17:12:10 <FlyingDragon> LOL

Mar 03 17:12:16 <NickE> :-)

Mar 03 17:12:20 <FlyingDragon> EML, 3 books and how many stories?

Mar 03 17:12:37 <Fred> LOL! this review starts: "Ed Lerner is a warped man."

Mar 03 17:12:45 <NickE> LOL

Mar 03 17:12:55 <NickE> And moer poer to him

Mar 03 17:13:00 <EML> EML = evil maniacal laugh.

Mar 03 17:13:01 <Fred> luckily it's a very posit review!

Mar 03 17:13:01 <FlyingDragon> Is warped better than weird?????

Mar 03 17:13:04 <NickE> more power

Mar 03 17:13:29 <Harry_Redd> Ed, I think Chrichton hate junk Science

Mar 03 17:13:48 <NickE> "step up the reactor power input...3...more...points!..."

Mar 03 17:13:54 <Fred> what are these two digital things I can get for 49 cents?

Mar 03 17:14:04 <EML> Stories? 13 in Analog (three serials), 4 at Baen's universe, 2 artemis, 1 Darker Matter, some in anthos

Mar 03 17:14:06 <FlyingDragon> EML, are you "Two Kinds of People " and "Better the Devil You Know" also???

Mar 03 17:14:24 <Fred> hey, it's got a picture of you!

Mar 03 17:14:27 <FlyingDragon> quite a list already!

Mar 03 17:14:37 <NickE> Moon gazing for a few BRB

Mar 03 17:14:54 <EML> yup -- I forgot those in my compendium.

Mar 03 17:15:21 <Fred> amazon lists 4 books and 2 shorts

Mar 03 17:15:30 <Fred> oops, no, overlap

Mar 03 17:15:46 <Fred> 3 books, 2 shorts

Mar 03 17:15:51 <Fred> 1 pre order :)

Mar 03 17:15:53 <FlyingDragon> THose are stories available digitally from Amazon?

Mar 03 17:15:59 <Fred> yes

Mar 03 17:16:03 <EML> my picture isn't a secret -- it's on my website. also, for the curious, many of my stories are in Creative Destruction (a collection) and as ebooks

Mar 03 17:16:06 <Fred> for less than 50ยข

Mar 03 17:16:37 <Fred> creative destruction is one of the 3 books they list

Mar 03 17:16:51 <Fred> moonstruck, creative destruction, probe

Mar 03 17:17:01 <EML> the two Amazon Shorts stories are also available on fictionwise, which (for unimportant reasons) I find easier to use.

Mar 03 17:17:18 <Fred> I'd buy PROBE if it was about the old TV show I loved :)

Mar 03 17:17:29 <Dan> I used to love that show, too.

Mar 03 17:17:34 <EML> BTW, my wife informs me dinner is imminent. I'll pop out in a few minutes

Mar 03 17:17:47 <Dan> Later EML!

Mar 03 17:17:55 <EML> Prob has no TV tie-in.

Mar 03 17:17:56 <FlyingDragon> THis web site? Or another one?

Mar 03 17:18:24 <Fred> dan, we're talking abut the Hugh O'Brian show, right, not the Parker Stevenson show?

Mar 03 17:18:50 <FlyingDragon> WHere did you work for NASA?

Mar 03 17:19:00 <Dan> I think that's right, Fred. I don't remember one with Parker Stevenson.

Mar 03 17:19:24 <Fred> cool. somebody recently sent me some music from PROBE. you want it?

Mar 03 17:19:29 <NickE> Moon 3/4 gone. Picking up some hazy cloud here in Bloxham UK

Mar 03 17:19:30 <EML> yes, ... the front page is a bit gunked-up right now, due to a miscommunication wiht my goodness-of-his-heart webmaster

Mar 03 17:19:37 <Dan> Sure!

Mar 03 17:19:40 <FlyingDragon> :-)

Mar 03 17:19:53 <Fred> I think it's still on my public iDisk, lemme look

Mar 03 17:19:57 <FlyingDragon> I need to go look at the moon too. It does seem darker out there......

Mar 03 17:20:05 <EML> I worked for a NASA contractor (Hughes Aircraft). It mostly involved Goddard Space Flight Center.

Mar 03 17:20:17 * FlyingDragon is now known as MoonGazingDragon

Mar 03 17:20:27 <MoonGazingDragon> Cool.

Mar 03 17:20:58 <NickE> BRB

Mar 03 17:21:22 <EML> somewhere on my site there's a picture of me in the space shuttle simulator (Johnson SFC). Fun.

Mar 03 17:21:38 <EML> and off to dinner. by for now.

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Mar 03 17:22:27 <Fred> can I see this eclipse from arizona?

Mar 03 17:22:50 <emilio_lizardo> I'm going to go outside and see if I can see it from here.

Mar 03 17:23:14 * MoonGazingDragon is now known as FlyingDragon

Mar 03 17:23:18 <FlyingDragon> Fred, no.

Mar 03 17:23:23 <Fred> :(

Mar 03 17:23:31 <Harry_Redd> Fred, We're only going to get a partial.

Mar 03 17:23:41 <FlyingDragon> It is a LUNAR eclipse, meaning you can see it if it is NIGHT where you are.

Mar 03 17:23:48 <Fred> hi frank!

Mar 03 17:23:52 <FlyingDragon> Oh, tonight? we get partial???

Mar 03 17:24:06 <FlyingDragon> Hi Emilio! Hi Redd!

Mar 03 17:24:13 <Harry_Redd> You should get an almost full one Carol.

Mar 03 17:24:34 <Fred> dan, it's still there. I'm gonna zip it so it'll be easier to get and then I'll give you an url

Mar 03 17:24:44 <Dan> Thanks, Fred.

Mar 03 17:24:55 <FlyingDragon> Cool. I's walk across the street for a lunar eclipse!!

Mar 03 17:27:22 <emilio_lizardo> Hi Dragon!

Mar 03 17:27:30 <emilio_lizardo> hi Harry

Mar 03 17:30:11 <NickE> Moon almost gone now, shadowed are going a deep orrange. Going out to watch it complete. Very neat

Mar 03 17:30:58 <FlyingDragon> It is still a beautiful day, and I promised to drag my kids out of the house on bikes to the park.

Mar 03 17:32:44 <Harry_Redd> psybud, FYI, I'm also in Phoenix AZ.

Mar 03 17:35:22 <SeanS> back

Mar 03 17:35:27 <Dan> WB

Mar 03 17:35:37 <Harry_Redd> WB Sean

Mar 03 17:36:47 <Fred> CW Sean

Mar 03 17:37:35 <SeanS> so whats happening today?

Mar 03 17:37:49 <Fred> a total eclipse of the heart

Mar 03 17:37:54 <FlyingDragon> We had a nice chat with Ed Learner.

Mar 03 17:38:02 <Dan> Going to work in 20 minutes.

Mar 03 17:38:03 <SeanS> cool

Mar 03 17:38:04 <Fred> I bought his book

Mar 03 17:38:26 <FlyingDragon> I hit 13 of 24 arrows into the target.

Mar 03 17:38:28 <Fred> Dan, I'm putting up the last file now

Mar 03 17:38:38 <Dan> Thanks, Fred.

Mar 03 17:38:50 <Fred> I'll get you the url and can start grabbing the others

Mar 03 17:41:55 <Fred> here you go dan

Mar 03 17:41:57 <Fred>

Mar 03 17:42:12 <Fred> click on ProbeSearchZip

Mar 03 17:43:04 <Fred> don't download yet. It's still uploading

Mar 03 17:43:10 <Dan> Got it! Though I might have to wait until in the morning before I can get them all.

Mar 03 17:43:11 <Fred> it's like 30mb :)

Mar 03 17:43:16 <SeanS> what is this, fred?

Mar 03 17:43:34 <Fred> music and a trailer from the old PROBE/SEARCH tv show

Mar 03 17:43:51 <SeanS> hmm, dont remember that show

Mar 03 17:44:00 <Fred> few do :(

Mar 03 17:44:14 <FlyingDragon> GOing biking with the family.

Mar 03 17:44:18 <FlyingDragon> See ya!

Mar 03 17:44:27 * FlyingDragon is now known as BikingDragon

Mar 03 17:44:28 <Fred> bye carol!

Mar 03 17:44:43 <Fred> hey, it just finished uploading, grab anything you like :D

Mar 03 17:44:45 <SeanS> later carol

Mar 03 17:44:48 <BikingDragon> Fred, glad you came.

Mar 03 17:44:49 <Dan> OK!

Mar 03 17:44:54 <BikingDragon> later guys!

Mar 03 17:44:55 <Harry_Redd> Thake not all, Especially Sean:

Mar 03 17:44:56 <Fred> thanks carol!

Mar 03 17:45:06 <BikingDragon> :-)

Mar 03 17:45:31 <Fred> I'll be back to the list soon

Mar 03 17:46:01 <Harry_Redd> This is the straight video of the BEER LAUNCHING MINI-FRIDGE

Mar 03 17:46:19 <Harry_Redd> Good to hear that Fred.

Mar 03 17:47:16 <BikingDragon> Yes, nice to hear.

Mar 03 17:47:44 <BikingDragon> My husband has brought a lot to the table wrt "Is athiesm a Religion" thread.

Mar 03 17:47:53 <BikingDragon> Gotta GO!!!!

Mar 03 17:48:02 <BikingDragon> just walk away, just walk away.......

Mar 03 17:49:25 <Harry_Redd> GO ride already!

Mar 03 17:49:35 <Dan> LOL!

Mar 03 17:49:50 <psybud> Bye fellow Texan

Mar 03 17:54:03 <Dan> OK, got to go off to work.

Mar 03 17:54:15 * Dan is now known as Dan_AFK

Mar 03 17:54:28 <NickE> Oh bugger, just missed him

Mar 03 17:54:34 <Dan_AFK> I'll leave this running so I can read the log tomorrow morning.

Mar 03 17:54:43 <NickE> Moon in totality for last 10 mins or so

Mar 03 17:54:49 <Fred> compUSA is going out of business

Mar 03 17:54:50 <NickE> very red/orange

Mar 03 17:54:53 <Dan_AFK> Bye for now!

Mar 03 17:54:55 <Fred> big sales going on oww

Mar 03 17:54:59 <Fred> now

Mar 03 17:55:01 <NickE> TFN

Mar 03 17:55:04 <NickE> TTFN

Mar 03 17:55:30 <Fred> where are you again nick?

Mar 03 17:55:40 <psybud> SeanS you still here?

Mar 03 17:55:46 <SeanS> yep

Mar 03 17:56:07 <emilio_lizardo> how can compusa loose money?

Mar 03 17:56:13 <psybud> Tuned the SWR with small antenna, couldn't get below 2.5

Mar 03 17:56:24 <SeanS> hmm

Mar 03 17:56:29 <SeanS> i need another hard drive

Mar 03 17:56:42 <emilio_lizardo> i'm sending you one. it's all packed

Mar 03 17:56:47 <emilio_lizardo> ready to go.

Mar 03 17:56:50 <SeanS> i mean a giant drive

Mar 03 17:56:51 <Fred> lol, I *always* need another hard drive

Mar 03 17:57:01 <SeanS> not a ftp server drive

Mar 03 17:57:09 <Fred> I need one for the computer, and one for the DVR

Mar 03 17:57:10 <emilio_lizardo> you mean like the drive that ate Cincinnati?

Mar 03 17:57:17 <SeanS> yep

Mar 03 17:57:20 <emilio_lizardo> the attack of the 50 foot hard drive.

Mar 03 17:57:34 * emilio_lizardo thinks Seans needs a drive to store all his Anna Nicole Smith porn.

Mar 03 17:57:44 <Fred> and, ewwww

Mar 03 17:57:48 <SeanS> i use an 80 gig for that

Mar 03 17:57:51 <NickE> <fnarf>

Mar 03 17:57:56 <psybud> She's lookin' good now...

Mar 03 17:58:01 <NickE> and yes ewww especially now

Mar 03 17:58:04 <Fred> hell, my ANS porn goes on a floppy

Mar 03 17:58:15 <NickE> wonderful what they can do these days

Mar 03 17:58:20 <emilio_lizardo> In other news, Anna Nicole Smith is still dead. I'm Chevy Chase, and you're not.

Mar 03 17:58:21 <NickE> LOL

Mar 03 17:58:25 <NickE> stop it!

Mar 03 17:58:39 <emilio_lizardo> That's it for weekend update. have a pleasant tomorrow.

Mar 03 17:59:37 <NickE> Sorry Fred, still cathing up I'm about 200 miles south esst of Mark (emilio) inthe UK

Mar 03 18:00:10 <emilio_lizardo> I live between blackburn and burnley ... the armpits of the uk.

Mar 03 18:00:29 <NickE> Banbury: as in Ride a cock horse to Banbury cross...that ANS, she got around a bit

Mar 03 18:01:14 <NickE> :-)

Mar 03 18:03:00 <Harry_Redd> Famous for being Famous. S*I*G*H

Mar 03 18:03:05 <emilio_lizardo> Football, I no know football.

Mar 03 18:03:26 <emilio_lizardo> Basketball, I no know basketball, but baseball, been berry berry good to me.

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Mar 03 18:03:54 <emilio_lizardo> It's ELO!

Mar 03 18:04:03 <EML> refueled, I return

Mar 03 18:04:25 <Harry_Redd> WB Ed.

Mar 03 18:04:27 <emilio_lizardo> i was just quoting 30 year old saturday night live skits...

Mar 03 18:04:37 <emilio_lizardo> and annoying everyone else in the chat.

Mar 03 18:04:42 <emilio_lizardo> Hi Ed!

Mar 03 18:04:51 <EML> the first SNL cast was the best

Mar 03 18:04:58 <emilio_lizardo> absolutely!

Mar 03 18:05:13 <EML> let's hear it for the Coneheads.

Mar 03 18:05:51 <NickE> WB Ed

Mar 03 18:07:17 <EML> how goes the exclipes elsewhere? In my neck of the woods, it's too overcast to see anything.

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Mar 03 18:08:24 <NickE> wups. My bad

Mar 03 18:08:53 <Fred> Mom hurt herself, blood EVERYWHERE. later

Mar 03 18:08:59 <NickE> shit

Mar 03 18:09:11 <emilio_lizardo> hope she's ok fred. go take care of her

Mar 03 18:09:27 <NickE> hope it looks worse than is, often does

Mar 03 18:10:30 <EML> Hope all is well.

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Mar 03 18:11:38 <Harry_Redd> Me too. Damage at age is a hard thing.

Mar 03 18:12:52 <EML> AGE is a hard thing.

Mar 03 18:13:34 <NickE> Thanks. Birfday tomorrow :-(

Mar 03 18:13:34 <Harry_Redd> Tell me about it Ed. Next year, I qualify for Medicare.

Mar 03 18:13:39 <NickE> :-)

Mar 03 18:15:11 <EML> Well, Frank, you've got a few years on me -- but not many. I'm still in the previous decade.

Mar 03 18:15:25 <Harry_Redd> Enjoy it.

Mar 03 18:16:13 <EML> :-)

Mar 03 18:16:32 <EML> Has Larry been in today?

Mar 03 18:16:46 <SeanS> i was in early and didnt see him

Mar 03 18:16:55 <NickE> I think he had a Q&A panel at a mini-con in LA

Mar 03 18:17:22 <emilio_lizardo> i posted it on the appearances page... thanks to Nick I believe.

Mar 03 18:17:24 <Harry_Redd> Larry is on a panel today.

Mar 03 18:17:28 <NickE> That would have been around 11am PST

Mar 03 18:18:32 <NickE> No, can't recal who it was, but I did comment on it (i.e.would have liked to have a report on it)

Mar 03 18:19:32 <Harry_Redd> I was talking with John Bruner a long time back. He said that one personal appearance at a venue with more than 50 people ment 5 books sold and perhaps 3 more after the first wa read. :-)

Mar 03 18:19:43 <NickE> Science in Fiction:Fiction in Science I think was the subject or something close to that

Mar 03 18:20:59 <EML> Good topic. I'm giving a somewhat related talk at the Library of Congress at the end of the month.

Mar 03 18:21:27 <Harry_Redd> Good for you.

Mar 03 18:21:31 <NickE> Great. Cane we have a report on how that goes? :-)

Mar 03 18:21:47 <Harry_Redd> Makew sure the local SF Clubs know about it Ed.

Mar 03 18:22:03 <NickE> It's a good topic at the moment

Mar 03 18:22:59 <EML> The SF recommender at LC is a member of the Washington SF Assoc, so I think the word gets to the club automagically.

Mar 03 18:23:00 <NickE> Faked results and retracted papers in some topics still in the science news fairly recently

Mar 03 18:23:57 <SeanS> ya, i need to unpack and watch an inconvenient truth to see how little truth is in it

Mar 03 18:24:07 <Harry_Redd> That's good Ed.

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Mar 03 18:24:26 <NickE> Hi Cos

Mar 03 18:24:33 <Cosmosis45> Hello?

Mar 03 18:24:40 <SeanS> hi cosmosis

Mar 03 18:24:41 <Cosmosis45> Hi.

Mar 03 18:25:02 <NickE> Who dat?

Mar 03 18:25:21 <Cosmosis45> So, what time of day does Mr Niven usually stop by, at least on the days when he does so?

Mar 03 18:25:29 <Cosmosis45> I'm new.

Mar 03 18:25:44 <NickE> Not it today (just talking about that) At a panel

Mar 03 18:25:49 <SeanS> typically early, but he had a panel at a mini-con today

Mar 03 18:25:50 <NickE> Welcome

Mar 03 18:25:59 <Cosmosis45> Ah, cool.

Mar 03 18:26:01 <Harry_Redd> Hi Cosmos. Usually He comes in about Noon Pacific Coast time.

Mar 03 18:26:12 <NickE> lunchtime for him

Mar 03 18:26:40 <Cosmosis45> Which is about 9 am EST, right?

Mar 03 18:26:44 <SeanS> yes

Mar 03 18:26:48 <Harry_Redd> So Ed, Juggler of worlds is Now a Committment?

Mar 03 18:26:49 <EML> Anyone remember the movie Day After Tomorrow, with NYC freezing overnight? Gore endorsing it was enough to destroy all his credibility with me.

Mar 03 18:26:52 <SeanS> no......

Mar 03 18:26:56 <SeanS> 3pm eastern

Mar 03 18:27:12 <SeanS> i agree, ed

Mar 03 18:27:19 <NickE> Unfortunately yes. The "science" sucked

Mar 03 18:27:37 <SeanS> i just dont want to put 'truth' down hard until i have watched it

Mar 03 18:27:48 <EML> Larry's and my deal with Tor Books is for Fleet of Worlds plus a sequel. Juggler is the sequel.

Mar 03 18:27:53 <Harry_Redd> Yeah. Al Gore thinks that his pronouncements and endorcements are equivelent to the creation of things.

Mar 03 18:27:58 <Cosmosis45> You lose hours as you go west.

Mar 03 18:27:58 <NickE> Yay

Mar 03 18:28:18 <Harry_Redd> That's quite a good deal Ed.

Mar 03 18:29:03 <EML> Analog had an excellent article about global climate cycles in a recent issue. April issue, I think.

Mar 03 18:29:06 <NickE> and not that bad for us either :-)

Mar 03 18:29:10 <Cosmosis45> Ooh! Yeah; it definitely says they believe in you when they approve the sequel to a book that doesn't exist yet.

Mar 03 18:30:30 <EML> Yup, it's satisfying to get that level of interest. Not long after, Tor bought a solo book from me, too.

Mar 03 18:30:37 <NickE> even better

Mar 03 18:30:41 <Harry_Redd> :-)

Mar 03 18:31:05 <EML> I hasten to add the solo is NOT in known space -- it's a near-future technothriller.

Mar 03 18:32:25 <emilio_lizardo> I've got to work on converting this faq file.... a plea... does anyone who ever added to the bravenet faq file have the account info? anyone.... buhler?

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Mar 03 18:35:52 <Harry_Redd> Watching the Errol Flynn ROBIN HOOD. That is one GREAT piece of Cinematography!

Mar 03 18:36:28 <emilio_lizardo> my kids saw that and loved it. more than that horrid remake with the Waterworld guy.

Mar 03 18:37:04 <EML> Hey, everyone. I'm going to head out. Have fun.

Mar 03 18:37:22 <Harry_Redd> Nice seeing you again Ed.

Mar 03 18:37:27 <Harry_Redd> Have a good one.

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Mar 03 18:38:18 <SeanS> hi Euan

Mar 03 18:38:23 <Harry_Redd> The part where Robin crosses the river and the water sprays into the moonlight? That setup was so good they did it 2 more times!

Mar 03 18:39:27 <Harry_Redd> Hi Euan. You just missed Ed Lerner.

Mar 03 18:41:05 <NickE> Hi Euan.Bye Ed (sorry was busy a bit)

Mar 03 18:41:57 <emilio_lizardo> hey euan

Mar 03 18:45:05 <Harry_Redd> I wonce watched the uncut version of this movie in the liveing room of a reviewer for Cinefantisque. A few caseharddened Hollywoodies were there. At the break between reels right after the Oath at the FGallows Oak, MEATLOAF said "Where do I joine up?

Mar 03 18:48:51 <SeanS> Well, I am off to eat some chinese food. Julie, myself and another couple. Take care

Mar 03 18:48:53 <growler> You're talking about a Robin Hood movie?

Mar 03 18:48:59 <growler> I liked 'Robin and Marian'.

Mar 03 18:48:59 <SeanS> will check back in when i get back

Mar 03 18:49:21 <Harry_Redd> Yes.

Mar 03 18:49:31 <Harry_Redd> At least I am. :-)

Mar 03 18:50:01 <Harry_Redd> That was good and in the spirit of the Errol Flynn one.

Mar 03 18:51:43 <NickE> Later sean

Mar 03 18:51:56 <growler> I'm a big fan of Ivanhoe, and always think that if you're doing robin Hood you opught incorporate Ivanhoe.

Mar 03 18:51:57 <Harry_Redd> HAVE a good one Sean,

Mar 03 18:52:18 <NickE> Robin and Marion was actualy very underated

Mar 03 18:52:57 <Harry_Redd> Well, there is some evidence that Robin had an actual historical counterpart where IVANHO was strictly fictional.

Mar 03 18:53:24 <NickE> brb

Mar 03 18:53:58 <Harry_Redd> Ivanhoe is still a good tale though.

Mar 03 18:54:37 <growler> No he wasn't. There's always been a robin hood character in celt through anglo saxon folk lore. He's an arch type that changes shape with the times.

Mar 03 18:56:25 <psybud> Robin ain't nothin' but a hood

Mar 03 18:56:49 <Harry_Redd> 0There are actual records of a Robert of Sherwood who, during Richard's incarceration was reported to give half of his ill gotten gains to the Jews to be applied against Richards Ransom... A Despicable Hedge robber I believe was the term used.

Mar 03 18:58:40 <Harry_Redd> I Seem to recall that ISSAC of Norfolk was an actual person too.

Mar 03 18:59:54 <psybud> Ivan ain't nothin' but a hoe

Mar 03 19:00:03 <growler> The whole sherwood thing is a much later invention.

Mar 03 19:00:49 <Harry_Redd> I suppose, However Any forrest was to be considered a hideing place for the robbers of the day.

Mar 03 19:01:55 <growler> The best histories of Robin Hood can't place where the story of the cheeky outlaw originated, the best candidate appears to be weslh.

Mar 03 19:02:05 <growler> er, Wales

Mar 03 19:02:23 <growler> I can rleate to that, Welsh bastards stole my hat when I cycled through there.

Mar 03 19:02:39 <emilio_lizardo> heh

Mar 03 19:02:53 <emilio_lizardo> i work with one. i enjoy telling him how cheese on toast is the welsh national dish.

Mar 03 19:03:02 <emilio_lizardo> he doesn't seem to agree.

Mar 03 19:03:50 <growler> Such a piddling little place. They keep talking abouot and having road signs pointing to mountains. I kept riding over this little hills looking for them.

Mar 03 19:04:10 <Harry_Redd> Ov course he wouldn't agree. In Cheese on toast, there are no LEEKS!

Mar 03 19:04:27 <emilio_lizardo> we suggested putting leeks on it

Mar 03 19:04:31 <NickE> moon coming out of totality shortly

Mar 03 19:04:33 <Harry_Redd> :-)

Mar 03 19:04:55 <Harry_Redd> Chopped leeks or as a garnish?

Mar 03 19:04:58 <emilio_lizardo> there are no mountains in the UK

Mar 03 19:05:09 <emilio_lizardo> shredded

Mar 03 19:05:14 <Harry_Redd> ;-)

Mar 03 19:05:23 <NickE> Hey, we work with what we've got :-)

Mar 03 19:05:44 <emilio_lizardo> heh

Mar 03 19:05:48 <NickE> Scotland hs montains

Mar 03 19:06:31 <emilio_lizardo> indeed

Mar 03 19:06:32 <Harry_Redd> True, Nothing like the mountains I am use to though.

Mar 03 19:07:05 <growler> Once I stopped to chat with a fellow in the middle of England and he mentioned the 'hill' (I'd hardly call it more than a rise) was the tallest point between where we were and the Ukraines due east.

Mar 03 19:07:06 <emilio_lizardo> i saw a scottish comedian say he looked forward to global warming so "he could watch you English bastards drown"

Mar 03 19:07:26 <NickE> Oh sure. Not seen the Rockies, but the Alps are something

Mar 03 19:07:32 <NickE> Heh

Mar 03 19:07:34 <growler> That sounds like Frankie Boyle.

Mar 03 19:07:41 <emilio_lizardo> might have been

Mar 03 19:07:57 <NickE> Not Banbury. 113m above sea level here

Mar 03 19:08:56 <Harry_Redd> The Rockies are much like the Alps... I once took a European Fan up to the High Serrias. He thought that they bore more than a passing resembalance to the Alps...

Mar 03 19:09:12 <emilio_lizardo> dizzying

Mar 03 19:09:29 <emilio_lizardo> i wonder how high above sea level Oswaldtwistle is?

Mar 03 19:09:33 <Harry_Redd> That's about the altitude of where I live in Phoenix.

Mar 03 19:11:26 <NickE> Euan. That sounds like Chipping Norton, highest town between here and Siberia in a staright line

Mar 03 19:11:37 <NickE> straight

Mar 03 19:12:35 <growler> Like hell Scotland's got mountains - Ben Nevis is only 4,406 feet. That isn't as tall as some hills beside my home town.

Mar 03 19:13:14 <NickE> 1/8 of edge of moon showing now. Rest still very orange

Mar 03 19:13:24 <Harry_Redd> I use to live in Cottonwood. Elevation was 4,368 Ft. :-)

Mar 03 19:13:54 <growler> Drove through the tunnel under Mont Blanc a couple of years ago. Since the fire a while back they've got a couple of three engine fire stations carved out along the way.

Mar 03 19:13:56 <NickE> Yeah well, it's still what I cal "serious scenery"

Mar 03 19:14:52 <Harry_Redd> Ehrn I traveled in Europe some years back, I felt quite at home in the Alps.

Mar 03 19:15:11 <NickE> But yes. Swam in an outdoor pool in Interlaken once. Kinda weird with the bleedin Jungfrau dominating the background!

Mar 03 19:15:52 <growler> Italian lake area is cool - very fjord like in the lakes nestled at the base of alps.

Mar 03 19:16:06 <NickE> YEs. Lovely

Mar 03 19:16:39 <Harry_Redd> NORWAY and Sweeded... Now, Theyu have mountains! :-)

Mar 03 19:19:48 <growler> Driving through bulgaria I went into a road tunnel - it exited straight onto a bridge across a chasm, and about 50 meters later entered the other side of the chasm. The walls of the chasm were coveredi n susoended buildings. There was no warning of a town going in.

Mar 03 19:20:13 <growler> I so wish I cpould find it on a map - I want some pictures (no opportunity to stop on the motorway).

Mar 03 19:20:29 <Harry_Redd> Never been to Bulgaria.

Mar 03 19:21:46 <NickE> So, does anyone listen to The Signal? Or should I just shut uo now?

Mar 03 19:23:33 <Harry_Redd> The Signal? I thought that was a german News Mag.

Mar 03 19:26:02 <Harry_Redd> "Environmentalism has largely superseded Christianity as the religion of the upper classes in Europe and to a lesser extent in the United States," Nine Facts About Climate Change author Ray Evans says in the publication. "It is a form of religious belief which fosters a sense of moral superiority in the believer, but which places no importance on telling the truth."

Mar 03 19:37:22 <growler> Soundsl ike bollocks to me.

Mar 03 19:37:48 <Harry_Redd> I found it interesting.

Mar 03 19:37:49 <NickE> No, The Signal, as in one of the best podcasts out there. Certainly tying for best Firefly based podcast with Firefly Talk (2 very different styles but both worth a listen) Blowing my own trumpet a bit here, but I'm on the latest episode. And probably most subsequent ones, as I'm either writing or voicing as I'm on the crew now.

Mar 03 19:38:24 <growler> It's a little silly to through the 'religion' tag at environmentalists even if they are being silly. It isn't the same thing even if it manifests similar behaviour.

Mar 03 19:38:29 <NickE> or for main page

Mar 03 19:38:31 <Harry_Redd> Got a url for thepodcast and would I have to subscribe?

Mar 03 19:38:55 <NickE> No. Can DL individual mp3 s as I still do

Mar 03 19:39:04 <NickE> Free anyway

Mar 03 19:39:24 <Harry_Redd> I think that Niven and Pourtnell had the right end of it in FALLEN ANGELS.

Mar 03 19:39:55 <Harry_Redd> What's the URL for the one you are on?

Mar 03 19:40:52 <NickE> the top one, episode 4 season 3, published 1st March

Mar 03 19:41:39 <NickE> wups, that should be

Mar 03 19:41:43 <Harry_Redd> Loading now.

Mar 03 19:42:53 <NickE> my bit is about 58 minutes in. Article on Organised Crime in the Verse. And no, I can't juggle geese despitwhat Kari says!

Mar 03 19:43:17 <Harry_Redd> :-)

Mar 03 19:43:21 <NickE> Next one will be on Grav control and Terraforming :-)

Mar 03 19:43:54 <Harry_Redd> PUb that oe to the list Nick.

Mar 03 19:45:44 <NickE> Yeah, was going to. Signal and the other Firefly casts (of which several now) can always use new listeners and Browncoats

Mar 03 19:46:45 <NickE> Oh the article. Sure, but the review deadline is almnost up so little I can change before I need to record it

Mar 03 19:49:22 <NickE> Well, so far nobody's dicked with it (it goes onto a crew wikki for review and editing if needed, then it gets recorded> We have a 2 week turnaround so time can be tight!)

Mar 03 19:53:33 <Harry_Redd> Still D-Loading. That's a BIG file!

Mar 03 19:55:47 <NickE> Yeah, 50 meg is about as big as they get. 1hr 12 mins. And we had to drop a dramatisation and the emails section for time. (They'll be in Ep 5 and bth my wife and I get to be in the dramatisation, sounds good!)

Mar 03 19:56:03 <Harry_Redd> :-)

Mar 03 19:58:16 <Harry_Redd> Big Dam Cheifs?

Mar 03 19:58:51 <Harry_Redd> I've fast forwarded.

Mar 03 19:59:08 <Harry_Redd> Gsmering and " The VERSE "

Mar 03 19:59:12 <Harry_Redd> ??

Mar 03 19:59:35 <Harry_Redd> AH!

Mar 03 20:03:07 <NickE> Big Damn Chefs = charity browncoat cookbook

Mar 03 20:03:16 <Harry_Redd> Ah.

Mar 03 20:03:42 <Harry_Redd> Is there a recepie for Chicken Cashew Tacos?

Mar 03 20:03:54 <NickE> Gaming in teh 'Verse is the RPG segment. Jill wanted me to do that, but I really am not qualified, yet

Mar 03 20:04:06 <NickE> Not sure, havent got the book

Mar 03 20:04:40 <Harry_Redd> It was pretty good

Mar 03 20:04:56 <NickE> So we're open to anyone interested in taking that segment over

Mar 03 20:05:09 <NickE> (GAming in teh verse

Mar 03 20:05:23 <Harry_Redd> Not Qualified... SIGH

Mar 03 20:08:19 <NickE> Well, the last game I ran was the RW RPG about 10 years ago. Got the Serenity RPG, but not played or set it up yet. The 2 previous guys Tracey Hickman and Trampas Whiteman respectively *wrote* some of the game and the only published Adventure for it and play tested the game (Tracey also writes the DragonLance books with his wife)

Mar 03 20:08:27 <Fred> hey

Mar 03 20:08:38 <NickE> So compared to them, no, not qualified!

Mar 03 20:08:46 <NickE> Hye fred

Mar 03 20:09:15 <Harry_Redd> YOu might be qualified for general remarks about the Gamw and background though.

Mar 03 20:09:23 <Harry_Redd> Hi Fred.

Mar 03 20:09:56 <Harry_Redd> NICK! (Lemming!)

Mar 03 20:09:58 <psybud> hey

Mar 03 20:10:22 <Harry_Redd> 1Hr `0 min.

Mar 03 20:10:45 <Harry_Redd> You start at 1 Hr 11 Min.

Mar 03 20:10:50 <NickE> Well, I hope to once I'v doen something with it. The podcast Does My Geek Look Big In This had several segments on running their own Serenity game (they are UK based and a lot of fun, thoug the 'cast is on hold currently)

Mar 03 20:11:43 <psybud> night all

Mar 03 20:11:57 <NickE> Hmmm, Ah..I was listening to the crew preview copy. Running order may be slightly different in the published one

Mar 03 20:12:08 <NickE> NBight Psy

Mar 03 20:12:12 <Harry_Redd> I see crime as mostly restricted to a single planet and perhaps controling something like a TEAMSTERS Union.

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Mar 03 20:12:50 <NickE> HAve to go myself soon. gone 10 pst 1 in the am here. Moon almost completely out of shadow now

Mar 03 20:13:29 <Harry_Redd> One thing Nick

Mar 03 20:13:39 <NickE> Yes, in some cases that would no doubt be true

Mar 03 20:13:46 <NickE> YEs?

Mar 03 20:14:16 <Harry_Redd> Have you been following Nip And Tuck by RH Jr?

Mar 03 20:14:57 <NickE> Not as such apart from teh links you posted (some v funny ones)

Mar 03 20:15:37 <Harry_Redd> I'll get to the start of the current thread... Kinda Starwars meets Firefly and pretty good.

Mar 03 20:16:12 <NickE> Ohh. yeah post it on teh list

Mar 03 20:16:43 <Harry_Redd> Almost to the start here.

Mar 03 20:16:48 <NickE> Typing dgenerating rpidly. time to his sock

Mar 03 20:16:51 <NickE> hit sack

Mar 03 20:17:01 <NickE> eb

Mar 03 20:17:04 <NickE> even

Mar 03 20:17:11 <NickE> :-)

Mar 03 20:18:27 <NickE> Night Night all, Been fun as usual with added astronomical phenomena (manged to type that OK :-)

Mar 03 20:18:54 <Harry_Redd> HAs anyone noticed that no matter how you draw one, A cartoon goods always looks Arragant?

Mar 03 20:19:23 <NickE> TTFN

Mar 03 20:19:43 <Harry_Redd> CaRTOON goose!

Mar 03 20:19:52 <NickE> ah

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Mar 03 20:20:12 <Fred>

Mar 03 20:20:32 <Fred>

Mar 03 20:20:51 <Fred> goofy, I see. arrogant, not so much.

Mar 03 20:21:04 <Harry_Redd> Here's the start of that Thread:

Mar 03 20:21:23 <Fred>

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Mar 03 20:41:43 <volfan> Greetings, first visit here but LONG time Niven fan.

Mar 03 20:42:05 <Harry_Redd> Hi VOl and Welcome.

Mar 03 20:42:49 <volfan> Thank youI loved your work in Footfall...very Heroic!

Mar 03 20:43:48 <volfan> I think I read you were inspitational for 'Harry' the mailman in Lucifer's Hammer (just got a hardcover from Amazon) and re-read!

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Mar 03 20:44:19 <FlyingDragon> Hello

Mar 03 20:44:38 <FlyingDragon> Redd, you and Volfan the only ones active?

Mar 03 20:45:01 <FlyingDragon> Volfan, LH is a good read, worth re-reading.

Mar 03 20:45:12 <volfan> Hello back! Been reading him for a while, first was 'a graphic novel' of 'Not long before the End

Mar 03 20:45:42 <volfan> Yes, I wonder and have looked but has 'Protector' EVER been hardcover, possibly my favorite?

Mar 03 20:45:53 <FlyingDragon> dunno

Mar 03 20:46:11 <Harry_Redd> I guess, and I must go for food soon.

Mar 03 20:46:33 <FlyingDragon> let me look

Mar 03 20:46:50 <Harry_Redd> I don't think PROTECTOR made Hard Back... A Pity as I contributed more than a bit to it.

Mar 03 20:46:53 <volfan> Oki-dohky, is there a way to directly enter the IRC from a web-browser (new to world) instead of connecting via

Mar 03 20:46:57 <FlyingDragon> Redd, I'm baking chicken thighs. Garlic olive oil and grilling spices.

Mar 03 20:47:05 <FlyingDragon> Yes

Mar 03 20:47:07 <Harry_Redd> What browser?

Mar 03 20:47:27 <volfan> IE from Engulf and devour...

Mar 03 20:47:40 <volfan> Please do-tell re:Protector contribution!!

Mar 03 20:48:25 <Harry_Redd> I don't think so. However, if you were running OPERA you could do it by entering the IRC Addy in the browser window Location field.

Mar 03 20:49:13 <FlyingDragon> Volfan: Yes, I think Protector has been published in hardback, but not in english!

Mar 03 20:49:42 <FlyingDragon> You should be able to connect here with any IRC program.

Mar 03 20:49:54 <volfan> Thanks, not a problem, so what about Protector, by far favorite novel. Well darn, I can read a 'little' as in minueten German...but no joy.

Mar 03 20:50:32 <Harry_Redd> 2 Stage Bussard Ramjets, A lot of the weaponry... Stasis Radon BOmb Stuff like that... Oh Yeah The FIlksong Mentioning VANDERCEcKEN, Some of the names used as alieses like C.Creatmaster: a play on Secret Master (of Fandom)

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Mar 03 20:51:57 <Harry_Redd> The minature GOlf COurse, The design of the House based on M.C. Esher...

Mar 03 20:52:05 <volfan> I liked 'I'm the only tar to jum from vandervecken;s crew, and thats about the strangest thing a man will ever do'? Always wondered why wasRoy 'fatigued worn out after the statis nap...?

Mar 03 20:52:13 <Harry_Redd> Yeah, I helped Larry out a bit. :-)

Mar 03 20:52:36 <Harry_Redd> Don't Know.

Mar 03 20:53:23 <Harry_Redd> Since Stasis only slows time down, I suspect he'd be pretty much recovered.

Mar 03 20:53:49 <volfan> It seems time precessed a bit or maybe not true stasis? It's been described in the Man-Kzin as no-time and by the 'Master' as variable time as in duration as seen in Ringworld Children'.

Mar 03 20:54:26 <volfan> So was Footfal 'Harry' and 'Harry Necombe' based on you or the same person?

Mar 03 20:54:38 <FlyingDragon>

Mar 03 20:55:01 <Harry_Redd> I would suspect that different Stais generators have different time retardation rates.

Mar 03 20:55:14 <volfan> Reckon so 'based on evidence'

Mar 03 20:55:34 <FlyingDragon> is the address of this room, 6667 is the port. Isn't that right? Then the room is #knownspace. You should be able to plug that information into any IRC chat program.

Mar 03 20:55:41 <Harry_Redd> Harry Reddington in Foot Also Marc Cezcue in Hammer.

Mar 03 20:56:23 <Harry_Redd> I also appear in Fallen Angels. ;-)

Mar 03 20:56:59 <Harry_Redd> I have a credit in Ringworld Engineers. Larry likes how I think about a few things.

Mar 03 20:57:56 <volfan> Thanks I was referencing the IANA port descriptor # 6632-6664 Unassigned

Mar 03 20:58:27 <volfan> Along with 6667, neato regarding characters!

Mar 03 20:58:37 <FlyingDragon> I'm sorry I don't know what that means.

Mar 03 20:58:49 <Harry_Redd> The port for this server is 6667.

Mar 03 20:59:00 <Harry_Redd> yeah.

Mar 03 20:59:20 <emilio_lizardo>

Mar 03 20:59:22 <volfan> Have never met Mr. Niven, sent a book to Mr. Harrington from Man-Kzin and he relayed and returned a signed MIGE hardcover I had, fixed a typo in it for bonus cool!

Mar 03 20:59:38 <volfan> Thank you, will save!

Mar 03 20:59:43 <Harry_Redd> Interesting!

Mar 03 21:00:37 <Harry_Redd> How did you find out about this chat If I might ask?

Mar 03 21:01:12 <volfan> Yeah in MIGE MY book had the Moties 8in the Empire) discussing how the young should have been 'spared' and I remembered the paperback saying 'spaced', simple type was vast difference in a treasure to me!

Mar 03 21:02:04 <Harry_Redd> A treasure to many. I Have a cop with the change innitialed by Larry AND Jerry!

Mar 03 21:02:06 <volfan> Sure from, been a while since visited, and last time had a post/QA interface, not sure but never saw this IRQ till now.

Mar 03 21:02:07 <FlyingDragon> I remember reading that book for the first time, seeing that word "spared" and thinking it was the wrong word to use there.

Mar 03 21:02:27 <Harry_Redd> me to FD.

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Mar 03 21:02:54 <FlyingDragon> Hmm?

Mar 03 21:03:18 <emilio_lizardo> hmm>

Mar 03 21:03:19 <Harry_Redd> Me TOO that shoulkd have read.

Mar 03 21:03:40 <FlyingDragon> Ah. I understand.

Mar 03 21:04:16 <Harry_Redd> I guess I should also tell VOL that I'm one of the Major characters in BURNING TOWER, but that might be too much.

Mar 03 21:04:51 <FlyingDragon> Well, I'm Burning Tower.

Mar 03 21:05:07 <volfan> Wow, well I'm impressed (no emotocons for that?)

Mar 03 21:05:11 <emilio_lizardo> I suggested to Jerry Pournell that you be included in Inferno 2.

Mar 03 21:05:24 <FlyingDragon> :-)

Mar 03 21:05:35 <FlyingDragon> Who did you want to see in hell, emilio?

Mar 03 21:05:36 <Harry_Redd> Truly FD. It's nice to be included in a work like that.

Mar 03 21:05:46 <emilio_lizardo> My Harry Reddington

Mar 03 21:05:51 <emilio_lizardo> Mr.

Mar 03 21:06:03 <volfan> Gotta go, thank you all for welcome and info! I'm at, take care and I'll be back soon!

Mar 03 21:06:04 <FlyingDragon> Did he die in one of the books?

Mar 03 21:06:10 <emilio_lizardo> no.

Mar 03 21:06:15 <Harry_Redd> I know Emil and I suspect I will be there.. In Good INtentions some place.

Mar 03 21:06:16 <FlyingDragon> Every first Sat there is a crowd here.

Mar 03 21:06:21 <emilio_lizardo> hehehehe

Mar 03 21:06:37 <Harry_Redd> I

Mar 03 21:06:38 <FlyingDragon> All the fun people are in hell, right? ;-)

Mar 03 21:06:45 <emilio_lizardo> I always miss it. I'm always totally distracted on Saturday chat nights... with kids and wifes and mundane stuff

Mar 03 21:06:46 <FlyingDragon> see ya vol.

Mar 03 21:06:53 <emilio_lizardo> good night vol.

Mar 03 21:07:00 * volfan has quit (Quit: *g0ne*)

Mar 03 21:07:04 <Harry_Redd> VOL I'll add you to the INFORM List for the chats if you don't mind.

Mar 03 21:07:05 <emilio_lizardo> so I never really get to participate.

Mar 03 21:07:11 <FlyingDragon> Redd, this Sat Chat third wind?

Mar 03 21:07:28 <Harry_Redd> I guess.

Mar 03 21:08:08 <emilio_lizardo> I was watching astronaut farmer.

Mar 03 21:08:15 <SeanS> looked like a slow chat this time whenever i popped in... this is kinda the usual suspects

Mar 03 21:08:37 <FlyingDragon> mark, is that mark?

Mar 03 21:08:56 <emilio_lizardo> yes. that's my laptop down stairs. it's been left logged in

Mar 03 21:09:09 <emilio_lizardo> I have too many computers.

Mar 03 21:09:39 <SeanS> never too many

Mar 03 21:10:02 <emilio_lizardo> true. the power bill here is way to high.

Mar 03 21:10:15 <FlyingDragon> emilio, is it too much trouble for you to write to Mel for me? MAybe we shouldn't worry until a week has passed. MAybe she is on holiday?

Mar 03 21:10:25 <emilio_lizardo> I was wondering that.

Mar 03 21:10:34 <emilio_lizardo> You mean like snail mail? I could do that. No problem

Mar 03 21:10:50 <emilio_lizardo> I was going to put her address into and see if I got a phone number

Mar 03 21:11:00 <emilio_lizardo> not

Mar 03 21:11:15 <FlyingDragon> sounds good.

Mar 03 21:11:21 <emilio_lizardo> lets try...

Mar 03 21:11:36 <FlyingDragon> doing that now?

Mar 03 21:11:43 <FlyingDragon> brb

Mar 03 21:11:50 <emilio_lizardo> yep

Mar 03 21:16:08 <emilio_lizardo> I wanted to thank Ed Lerner for sending me some Kzin temporary tattoos... and I forgot to... sigh.

Mar 03 21:18:29 <Harry_Redd> Next month Emil. :-)

Mar 03 21:19:24 <emilio_lizardo> Heh. He sent me a letter (snail mail) so it really means I need to send him one back (a real letter) thanking him. that's what my parents taught me anyway :)

Mar 03 21:21:46 <Harry_Redd> Truly.

Mar 03 21:24:26 <emilio_lizardo> trying to hack into bravenet

Mar 03 21:24:27 <emilio_lizardo> sigh.

Mar 03 21:26:36 <SeanS> wish i could help, mark, but i didnt even know of the list or site back then

Mar 03 21:27:14 <emilio_lizardo> it's where the faq still lives. i could just link to it, but I can't modify it ...

Mar 03 21:27:33 <emilio_lizardo> without the darn account and password, which no one remembers.

Mar 03 21:36:56 <SeanS> i understand

Mar 03 21:38:33 <Harry_Redd> When I forget my Password, I head for the CONTACT US page.

Mar 03 21:39:01 <SeanS> why not just copy and paste the faq and make a new one and forget bravenet

Mar 03 21:39:18 <emilio_lizardo> the problem is it isn't my password... but the password of whomever set the account up. I suspect Nesssus

Mar 03 21:40:09 <emilio_lizardo> I had to redo the entire amazon affiliates thing for the site because of that. amazon didn't want to talk to me, because I didn't know the details of whoever set it up.

Mar 03 21:40:58 <Harry_Redd> Can'r you set up a new account?

Mar 03 21:42:17 <emilio_lizardo> that doesn't solve the problem.

Mar 03 21:42:42 <emilio_lizardo> i want to be able to modify what is there.... and leave it there ... if i can't do that, I might as well set it up directly on the site.

Mar 03 21:43:05 <Harry_Redd> SIGH Maybe you could contact the administration there and explain the situation.

Mar 03 21:43:29 <SeanS> all the privacy agreements are against that, Frank

Mar 03 21:44:03 <Harry_Redd> No Chance of contacting Nessus for the info then?

Mar 03 21:44:11 <SeanS> they are trying

Mar 03 21:44:19 <FlyingDragon> We've been trying to contact her.

Mar 03 21:45:15 <emilio_lizardo> I will try to. I bet they won't want to know me.

Mar 03 21:45:32 <SeanS> i fully expect you are right, mark

Mar 03 21:46:17 <FlyingDragon> brb

Mar 03 21:46:38 <emilio_lizardo> Dragon and I have cracked it!

Mar 03 21:46:42 <Harry_Redd> Try the nice way before you do a DOS from INside their Server Mark. ;-)

Mar 03 21:46:46 <FlyingDragon> brb

Mar 03 21:47:21 <emilio_lizardo> heh. i hate bravenet

Mar 03 21:47:37 <SeanS> what is bravenet, anyway?

Mar 03 21:48:23 <Harry_Redd> You MUST be Brave to use it?

Mar 03 21:48:24 <SeanS> ah

Mar 03 21:48:34 <SeanS> thats who hosted the server before?

Mar 03 21:48:50 <emilio_lizardo> yep. i understand it was expensive as well

Mar 03 21:48:56 <SeanS> before my time

Mar 03 21:49:21 <emilio_lizardo> i don't think it was. I've been the web dude for a year in April

Mar 03 21:49:32 <emilio_lizardo> because that's when the domain bill comes due

Mar 03 21:49:45 <SeanS> i meant setting up with bravenet

Mar 03 21:49:55 <emilio_lizardo> ah. i don't know when that was

Mar 03 21:50:00 <SeanS> me either

Mar 03 21:50:23 <emilio_lizardo> i'm just waiting for this to send me the validation email. it let me in and then moaned about not having a valid email for me

Mar 03 21:52:08 <FlyingDragon> I"m glad I remembered the password.

Mar 03 21:52:18 <FlyingDragon> STUNNED is more like it. I never used it.

Mar 03 21:52:37 <emilio_lizardo> heh. we're in now. I'm really happy that you did remember.

Mar 03 21:52:45 <SeanS> excellent

Mar 03 21:53:19 <emilio_lizardo> there are 86 pending faq questions!!!

Mar 03 21:53:34 <Harry_Redd> Hmmm, I'm seeing a Red Line across the chat. Is that significant of anything?

Mar 03 21:53:56 <SeanS> not that i know of

Mar 03 21:54:04 <FlyingDragon> Gotta go. Dinner is ready. Kids starving.....

Mar 03 21:54:05 <SeanS> font shift maybe

Mar 03 21:54:18 * FlyingDragon is now known as DiningDragon

Mar 03 21:54:18 <Harry_Redd> Adios Carol

Mar 03 21:54:25 <SeanS> it shows up here on xchat from time to time... i ignore it

Mar 03 21:54:31 <DiningDragon> try to come back later.

Mar 03 21:55:31 <SeanS> never saw it on mirc tho

Mar 03 22:17:27 <Harry_Redd> ??

Mar 03 22:17:45 <SeanS> question marks?

Mar 03 22:18:00 <Harry_Redd> No action, I thought nobody was here.

Mar 03 22:18:17 <SeanS> dan is working

Mar 03 22:18:29 <SeanS> its 3:17am for mark

Mar 03 22:18:44 <SeanS> dont know what Fred is doing

Mar 03 22:21:41 <Harry_Redd> -k-

Mar 03 22:22:03 <emilio_lizardo> i'm up

Mar 03 22:22:10 <emilio_lizardo> i'm working on iframing this faq thingie

Mar 03 22:22:43 <SeanS> you keep weirder hours than me

Mar 03 22:22:51 <SeanS> frank may give you a run for the money tho

Mar 03 22:23:23 <emilio_lizardo> heh

Mar 03 22:23:37 <emilio_lizardo> it's hard work sometimes. I know I'll be able to sleep in tomorow

Mar 03 22:23:41 <SeanS> just popped in ghostrider

Mar 03 22:23:42 <Harry_Redd> True. Strange hours and they are not constant either.

Mar 03 22:24:07 <emilio_lizardo> i'm really a night person. I operate better if I work nights, which I haven't done in years

Mar 03 22:24:13 <SeanS> got suse playing to the tv now... basically the last thing i needed to do before abandoning windows

Mar 03 22:24:59 <Harry_Redd> TCM will be running HARVY One very funny movie.

Mar 03 22:25:14 <SeanS> harvy?

Mar 03 22:25:33 <Harry_Redd> It's about a 6 ft tall invisable rabbit. ;-)

Mar 03 22:25:59 <emilio_lizardo> with jimmy stewart

Mar 03 22:26:07 <SeanS> if its invisible, how do you know it is there and 6 feet tall

Mar 03 22:26:18 <Harry_Redd> And an eccentric Millionaire named ELWOOD DOWD.

Mar 03 22:26:45 <Harry_Redd> Well, He left his hat at one place and his raincoat at another. ;-)

Mar 03 22:27:08 <SeanS> the rabbit?

Mar 03 22:27:28 <Harry_Redd> The Hat has holes suitable for Rabbit Ears. ;-)

Mar 03 22:27:46 <SeanS> hmmm, sounds like a LOT of belief suspension ;)

Mar 03 22:28:38 <Harry_Redd> It almost is, but it's quite funny... as funny as Arcenic and Old Lace.

Mar 03 22:29:08 <SeanS> watching ball games and racing tomorrow

Mar 03 22:29:26 <Harry_Redd> No problem

Mar 03 22:30:39 <SeanS> when i get this drive from mark, i will put it on the ftp server as the main file repository. then i can put up a few dvd's at a time for download

Mar 03 22:31:03 <Harry_Redd> Ok.

Mar 03 22:31:28 <emilio_lizardo> it's a good movie

Mar 03 22:31:32 <SeanS> i can only upload so fast but with your constant connection now, you can pull them over time

Mar 03 22:31:59 <SeanS> if i push 50 K/s out, that is 20 hours for a dvd

Mar 03 22:32:42 <Harry_Redd> Ok Sean.

Mar 03 22:33:27 <SeanS> if i pull a dvd off giganews, it takes less than 2 hours... most times an hour and 20 minutes or so

Mar 03 22:33:33 <emilio_lizardo>

Mar 03 22:33:35 <emilio_lizardo> it's a start

Mar 03 22:33:51 <emilio_lizardo> they want $79 for two years to take the bravenet banner off

Mar 03 22:34:52 <SeanS> 160 bucks for something you can copy and paste and do yourself?

Mar 03 22:35:34 <emilio_lizardo> it's fairly automated... you can go on line and answer the questions and stuff.

Mar 03 22:35:58 <emilio_lizardo> but still.... I could script all that. I

Mar 03 22:36:16 <SeanS> hmmm, why not just make a faq wiki? isnt the wiki soft free?

Mar 03 22:36:23 <emilio_lizardo> in fact, I have an asp script I could use...

Mar 03 22:36:37 <emilio_lizardo> I'm sure it is. I wonder if it's php...

Mar 03 22:36:53 <SeanS> i dont know... just throwing out ideas

Mar 03 22:37:05 <emilio_lizardo> and it's a good idea

Mar 03 22:37:37 <emilio_lizardo> i wrote a blog (with paras chopra) that I was going to use for the site for the news page... but it's in .asp

Mar 03 22:37:42 <emilio_lizardo> and the server is a linux box

Mar 03 22:37:58 <SeanS> shit, there was no maintenance on the site for years till you picked it up... no hurry about anything

Mar 03 22:38:24 <emilio_lizardo> i'm not going to have as much time as before, as eds is making me upgrade my msce

Mar 03 22:38:49 <Harry_Redd> Nice job with the FAQ.

Mar 03 22:38:52 <emilio_lizardo> worthless piece of paper, but HR departments like it

Mar 03 22:39:04 <emilio_lizardo> thanks! Now we have 86 questions to answer!

Mar 03 22:39:18 <emilio_lizardo> i discovered the site also has a mailing list with over 400 names on it.

Mar 03 22:39:23 <SeanS> i should upgrade mine... a lot of people like paper... i never cared much for it tho. knowledge and performance means more to me

Mar 03 22:39:51 <emilio_lizardo> ...same here. it's just for the job getting part.

Mar 03 22:39:56 <SeanS> yep

Mar 03 22:40:28 <emilio_lizardo> and so eds can say to the department of work and pensions, we have x number of mcse qualified engineers.

Mar 03 22:40:39 <SeanS> when i hired and fired, cant tell you how many times the paper was great and the guy didnt know what protocol he was running on his home network

Mar 03 22:41:12 <emilio_lizardo> heh. i've met loads of them

Mar 03 22:41:31 <emilio_lizardo> dude. i faked my way into this field. I ... lied.

Mar 03 22:42:02 <emilio_lizardo> Oh ya, I've been an NT engineer for years.... sure... yes, I've been a netware admin... oh yeah...

Mar 03 22:42:12 <emilio_lizardo> pulled it off though.

Mar 03 22:42:22 <SeanS> you wouldnt of faked me

Mar 03 22:42:40 <emilio_lizardo> You weren't doing the interviewing!

Mar 03 22:42:44 <SeanS> but i would of sensed potential and probably hired you anyway

Mar 03 22:42:49 <emilio_lizardo> cool!

Mar 03 22:43:03 <emilio_lizardo> i also had folks who would back me up...

Mar 03 22:43:21 <SeanS> it all comes out in the interview tho

Mar 03 22:43:51 <emilio_lizardo> heh. when I jumped from Mac Repair guy to admin, the dude who interviewed me (here) owned the company.

Mar 03 22:44:02 <emilio_lizardo> He didn't know jack shit about IT.

Mar 03 22:44:10 <SeanS> it happens

Mar 03 22:44:16 <SeanS> often

Mar 03 22:45:01 <SeanS> the bad thing for me is i have done freelance for 6 years and everybody wants one top guy and code kiddies

Mar 03 22:45:24 <emilio_lizardo> most places have tighened up now around here. technical questions and tests on the web and stuff... not a problem now

Mar 03 22:45:38 <SeanS> hope that happens here

Mar 03 22:46:18 <Harry_Redd> No you don't Sean, It will cut down on your business. ;-)

Mar 03 22:46:36 <SeanS> tho i love my hours, i would love a full time job and steady paycheck again

Mar 03 22:46:40 <emilio_lizardo> it's kind of annoying though. Not a problem, just repetitive. I'll just have to be a EDS lifer. Oh god no

Mar 03 22:47:09 <emilio_lizardo> Yeah. You're always around during "work time". I was wondering about that....

Mar 03 22:47:34 <SeanS> i do a lot of residential work with people bringing me stuff

Mar 03 22:48:46 <SeanS> my big draw is i will have your pc back to you in a day as opposed to taking to best buy or wherever and not seeing it again for weeks

Mar 03 22:49:17 <SeanS> or a couple few days... you know what i mean

Mar 03 22:49:34 <emilio_lizardo> sounds great to me!

Mar 03 22:50:26 <emilio_lizardo> my wife said I should take a job in the green zone for $100,000 a year. Maybe she wants me dead or something.

Mar 03 22:50:34 <emilio_lizardo> great if you survive.

Mar 03 22:50:43 <SeanS> green zone?

Mar 03 22:50:49 <emilio_lizardo> Bagdad.

Mar 03 22:50:53 <SeanS> ah

Mar 03 22:51:16 <emilio_lizardo> i think i'll pass.

Mar 03 22:51:26 <SeanS> wasnt thinking that way

Mar 03 22:52:24 <SeanS> only a hundred grand a year

Mar 03 22:52:33 <emilio_lizardo> it's not enough is it?

Mar 03 22:52:56 <emilio_lizardo> i think Jayne drunk all my beer as well.

Mar 03 22:54:22 <SeanS> maybe if all expenses paid

Mar 03 22:54:53 <emilio_lizardo> free mres

Mar 03 22:55:02 <SeanS> pulling cable should be easy... all new construction

Mar 03 22:55:24 <emilio_lizardo> free mortar rounds

Mar 03 22:55:45 <SeanS> i doubt its as bad as the press leads us to believe

Mar 03 22:56:12 <emilio_lizardo> it shouldn't be bad there. i wouldn't go wandering around the rest of it though...

Mar 03 22:56:28 <SeanS> press never lets on any good stories... i get sent pics of the iraqis loving us all the time

Mar 03 22:56:58 <emilio_lizardo> most folks will just want to get on with their lives

Mar 03 22:57:10 <emilio_lizardo> but it doesn't take many who don't to ruin your day

Mar 03 22:57:15 <SeanS> true

Mar 03 22:57:26 <SeanS> maybe i will look into it

Mar 03 22:57:45 <emilio_lizardo> Fine. Make me responsible for your untimely death!

Mar 03 22:57:45 <SeanS> 100 grand for a year without any outflow might not be too bad

Mar 03 22:58:07 <SeanS> you get just as dead for some moron pulling out in front of you

Mar 03 22:58:10 <emilio_lizardo> Anyway, I've got to go to bed. See you guys tomorow!

Mar 03 22:58:24 <emilio_lizardo> yes, but I didn't suggest that.

Mar 03 22:58:51 <SeanS> happened to me leaving my gf's son's basketball game today... had to slam on the brakes

Mar 03 22:59:29 <SeanS> thanx for thinking of my welfare... and any misses i had in the ANS saga

Mar 03 23:00:14 <emilio_lizardo> ANS?

Mar 03 23:00:30 <SeanS> you question that? lol anna nicole smith

Mar 03 23:00:51 <SeanS> you have been ragging me on that for a week

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Mar 03 23:01:14 <emilio_lizardo> oh. i'm tired. No problem. I'll be watching for ANS Hauntings now